![]() ![]() Joel murdered a group of innocent people, because he took on this involuntary father figure role, and then he lied to Ellie, but we still love him because he's Joel. These stories are crafted in a way that they are the hero no matter what. We, as the audience, of these games and movies and books, we're groomed to like the protagonists simply because they are the protagonist, and most people don't even realize it. It's impactful because it shaped the way (some) people feel about Part 2. But powerful storytelling throughout it all. It’s just sad in the end, his lie, the time they lost with his betrayal, and than horrific death, caused Ellie to go seek revenge in a way in which Ellie changed, she kept chipping off more of herself along the journey, scary and sad thing to see, and exhausting. But with time she understood I think why he did what he did. ![]() but as we saw, she was willing to work with him, try to repair what Joel broke, and he knew it wouldn’t be easy, as did she. ![]() I mean, she did lose trust in him all those years later etc. rather than lie to her and see a reaction in words and deeds in which she might’ve ran off losing all hope and trust in him etc. And to him, maybe in that moment, lying would be worth the little bit of time, the years they’d have together creating memories, seeing Ellie grow up before his eyes etc. Yes, he lied to the one person who gave him purpose to live, purpose to have hope, purpose to be that father again (which he of course wasn’t looking for, but it just naturally happened upon him) like he was to his daughter Sarah all those years ago. Joel I think knew when he said “I Swear” that he’d done something much worse than when he actually saved Ellie from that operating room and possibly causing death to humanity (as if it would be appreciated anyways. Solely for themselves, loved ones, or group. This world is wicked, dark, unforgiving and everyone’s growing up, has their own WANTS. it’s not like there wouldn’t have been a big threat later on at some point. Of course looking at the actions Joel took in the hospital and how that has major consequences in Part 2 for him, Ellie etc. To my point, it wasn’t guaranteed that Ellie was the cure, and after all Joel did, went through, not even allowing Joel to see Ellie, just talk with her, that’s messed up. Tommy “What the hell you talking about, Marlene?” Marlene “I had Joel killed, if he” Tommy “YOU SON OF A BITCH!” Got carried away there lol. I wonder, if Joel had been killed and Marlene ever came across Tommy again (Joel’s brother) would she have the guts to tell him “Listen Tommy, we need to talk! About Joel…I couldn’t waste this gift. Marlene gave orders to that no -name guard to kill Joel if he tried anything…you just done pissed him off all the more with those words. Ellie became the “Something” that he needed to keep fighting for, beyond just living day to day, simply being survivors. I don’t blame Joel for doing what he did. The game nor its story doesn’t given the player any control to have/make any choices that change the direction or outcome of ANY of these characters in this unforgiving and dark world. Type of situation, which just makes no sense. I know some people were upset with Joel lying to Ellie (friends of mine) that they felt it should’ve given the player an option to have Joel either A. The Fireflies at the end of the day were not good people, they were still terrorists with their own ambitious goals in mind, I don't think they would have been fair handing out the cure if they did get it made I know the sequel and remake kind of retcon it where it looked cleaner, brighter and newer but again I'm going off the original, the first time I played it. Even the hospital setting in the original game was run down, dirty and literally the best they could do, that alone didn't inspire confidence they had the tools to distribute a cure let along make one. If they woke Ellie up and asked her but Joel also told her what they did and were going to do to him I don't think she'd really want to sacrifice her life for these guys compared how she suddenly reacts in the sequel. You're telling me they couldn't wait for more blood tests, think of new ways to approach it? The worlds been gone for decades, it's not going to collapse even more by waiting, the damage is done. Like I just don't know why the Fireflies (and now Jerry in Part II) didn't think about any other tests, it was literally "Yeah this bitch has gotta die". ![]()
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